saturday night, in the least. but very glad that we were able to, and dogs know, dogs know people, they sense things because it could have been a fisherman, and he would not have reacted that way. >> how long was it from when you called to the police? i imagine that weight must have been pretty scary? >> if felt like forever, but it was not very long. >> the first officer was for ten or 15 minutes. it seemed like forever because we're standing out watching just to make sure he's not come up towards the house or anything, but they were here pretty quick. >> at that point, did he tried to run at all, did you know, or was he just waiting there? >> we don't know. >> he did not wait there. >> he headed up the creek. we don't know because we left the earlier.

it was probably 10 to 15 parts of the house from where he was. >> sydney and ron, i am glad that there is a happy hunting to all of this, and i am glad that you're okay, and they tucker get something special, some treats? >> oh my, yes. >> steak dinner tomorrow night. >> wow, all right. you all deserve sticks. thanks so much. >> it will be a family affair. >> sydney and ron akron, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> have a good day. >> that's it for us. the news continues. the source we can call and starts now. tonight, straight from the source, senator joe manchin says there is an insurance policy for 2024 as a trump biden rematch. could he launch a third party run? he is here to answer that question, alongside former republican presidential candidate and trump's ambassador to russia, john huntsman. plus, the top progressive and the house, top democrat in the house, is now apologizing after calling israel a racist state. is the by part backlash on capitol

hill is only growing. also, my exclusive sit-down with georgia's gop governor brian kemp, he famously withstood trump's 2020 pressure campaign, will he support him? he is a replica nominee. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source. senator joe manchin has a long history of keeping his democratic party guessing. tonight, he is creating a new stir, after speaking out of town hall in the critical early primary state of new hampshire. this was on behalf of no labels, which is a nonprofit group that is considering running a third party candidate in the 2024 presidential election. critics say, it is a spoiler, that could pull moderate votes from president biden, and instead give trump the key to the white house once again. the group says, they are not thinking the forehead right now, instead arguing that america deserves a

better choice than donald trump, or joe biden. as for senator manchin, he is not ruling out a third party run, but also says, don't call him a spoiler either. >> i've never been any race, i've ever -- if i can raise i'm going to win. >> also, fueling that 2024 speculation, is the man those seeded to his right. former utah governor john huntsman, who is with manchin tonight at that event, he once ran for president in 2012, and he served as an ambassador for both trump and obama, but he recently told me, he couldn't support trump again. joining me now is democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia and former governor of utah and trump's former -- john huntsmen, thank you both for being. here when you talk about what is going to look like, is this an insurance policy, in case of 2024 ticket is looking like it's looking right now with, just a biden trump rematch? >> that is probably a good description. basically, we are trying to make sure the parties understand. you cannot stay and

i'm extreme left, or extreme right. the whole process is, most americans want that center left center, right or the moderate middle. independent middle if you will. hopefully, we can make them understand that that's where decisions are made, that's where by partners are made, that's where things are getting done, right now people are sick and tired of what they're saying, and upset that this just turmoil and havoc. we can do better than this, and the people expect us to do better. this is a good movement. and put from all over the country, 50,000 different inquiries came in. they put the common sense agenda together. there are things you can agree, things you may not agree, things you want to adjust or make adjustments to or tweak a little bit. everybody is involved, but i can tell, you are a lot of excitement caitlin, a lot of excitement. >> -- >> go ahead ambassador. >> this has been interesting, because you and i came together about 12 years ago, around starting new labels. nobody paid

attention, nobody cared. we could've had an event here in new hampshire, no one would've shown up. today, completely different. so what is the difference? there has been a complete in implosion interest between the voters and the political system. they are caught in a doomed loop that keeps replaying itself over and over again with the theatrical and the craziness on both sides of the aisle. meanwhile, nothing gets done. so, they see nothing they can even relate to in their own individual lives. so you bring us to where we are today,, kaitlan and there has been incredible interest in something that we weren't even prepared for. joe and i picked on where we left off 12 years ago. we came here to new hampshire to share the common sense roadmap. i think it is

really reflective that the common sense majority has no voice, and they are beginning to feel the effects of that, and they don't want that to happen any longer. >> are both of you willing to be on a no labels presidential ticket? >> i think it is way too early to jump to conclusions. first of all, no labels as a platform. it is not a party. so, what is it doing that is consequential? well, number one, it has a document that we released today, this booklet that is made up of conversations of tens of thousands of americans on what they think is important and where they would identify our priorities. so, this common sense roadmap is not something that we got made up. this is a reflection of where the american people are. so, that's number one. number two, no labels is taking this unprecedented and audacious approach to getting on every states ballot, which i don't think it's ever been done before by a outside group. it is long, it's tedious, it's expensive, and so you'll have been a sense a delivery system. should the political, the mainstream political system, produce the same results in 24

as it did in 2020, in which case -- american voters had no, not again. we won an option. if i had $1 for every person who's got me to say, why is it we that we never have an option outside of just a mainstream party results? well, this is providing for the first time the american people a potential option, with a delivery system that actually will connect with every state in america. this is not a campaign stop. i know, it is not a campaign stop. this is basically a stop to hear more americans, especially new hampshire, very independent, very outspoken, they want answers. >> but also -- a key state where a lot of -- your fellow democratic senator durbin said today he called you, and then recording him, now

said you are america's biggest political tease, and that he trusts will make a judgment to run for reelection in west virginia. what is your response to that? >> my friend nick durban knows more than i know. i haven't made any decision, nor will i make a decision until the end of the year. my reason for that, i have never seen a place in the world, basically the next election starts a day after the last. i've got a lot of work to do for my state of west virginia which i love dearly, i've got a lot of work to do for our government. our great country of ours. i'll tell you, once you become a target eye, might be a suspected target now once, you become a target, things are very difficult and shut down on you. so, i know everyone is assuming this, and that, and everything else, but the bottom line is, they all know that i've been extremely independent, i've been very upset for the far left and the far right, for

all of the chatter that we have going on in both parties think they have to retreat. that is not where the american people. or if they can see this movement where people said, wait a minute, we want common sense solutions to common sense problems that we have every day. they won't talk about the immigration problems that we have, have an immigration policy that absolutely shuts down the border, makes it secure, and then having a pathway to worker visas, so we have more good workers in our countries and make states responsible. a death is out of control, and inflation, we have streets that aren't safe today, people are scared, and schools become a killing fields. nobody wants to talk about how do you find irrational position on that, or how do you solve the problem? so, when they see a

democrat and republican sitting together, talking together, that like each other, that is a novel thing in the political arena today. that is why there is so much chatter. >> given that senator manchin, another comment from a fellow democrat today mark kelly was saying, when it comes to no labels being a nonprofit, damning to doesn't have to reveal who is donating to it. he said, he frame this as, a few people putting dark money behind an organization. senator manchin, do you think people have the right to know who is funding no labels? >> i think people have a right to know how the democratic party gets all its money through the dark channels, 1. 7 billion dollars in 2020. the republican party through dark money, 1. 5 billion dollars, i'm sorry not true, that's real dark money. i believe the citizens united, has basically destroyed the system as you know. i would vote tomorrow to get rid of citizens united. but from my dear friend mark, who i think the world of, to say that 0. 1 of dark money and democratic party and republican party have made a business out of dark money, that is not accurate. >> ambassador, neither of you, i should note our approach from. senator manchin voted guilty on both of trump's impeachments, you himself were services ambassador to russia, but you

told me you would never vote for him again. obviously, the complaint here from critics has been that these efforts could help put trump back in that office. what do you say to that? i just think it is premature to run any conclusions. i actually with you before caitlin that i don't think trump makes it to the finish line. i think he will be so entangled in the legal problems, that he just doesn't make it that far. even if he did, there is no guarantee that when you do the mathematics, that this would in fact help hand. the very fact that we're having a conversation about minimizing or limiting peoples choices, and participation in the greatest democracy that ever worse, is a little disk concerning. having lived in places like china, and russia, where people have no choice, where there is no talk about expanding access to the ballot box, where there is no right to assemble and express your feelings in a free and open fashion, these are the traditions that we cherish in

this country. when people start talking about well you gotta limit this without because the outcomes may be a, b, or c it's just anti-american. it just doesn't resonate with me, and i don't think it resonated a lot of people. it is preseason in politics, there is a lot of hyperbole about what is going on here, and about what it might ami. i think we let it play out. this is a country where the people are still in charge. they should be given choices, and they should be given a process whereby, we can begin to identify the issues that are most pressing in this country, and figuring out ways to resolve them for the sake of the next generation. >> kaitlan, the greatest thing is to have the choice to make a decision on how to fix problems and who is willing to do it. but the democratic party and the republican party have the ability to do. that >> given that, senator -- you, all of

the criticism is coming from your own party. you are a key player in a lot of the deals, the legislative action that we saw coming out of the biden white house in president biden's first term, by doing this, are you saying that you don't believe president biden has governed as the centrist candidate that he ran as? >> first of all, that's not accurate whatsoever, i believe every person, when you're in the senate, no matter who the president, you want to make sure they succeed into everything you can. but you have to speak truth to power. so, everything i did, i tried to bring people together, and try to make sure that i could go home and explain what we were doing. we need energy policy that works for our country, that gives us the energy we need to run this country today, but also the investment and the technology for the future. it is a balanced approach, and an energy policy. so, anything i can have, my vote was critical, i had a lot of input, but i think i was rational, i wasn't trying to stop things for politics, i was trying to make

it better. i have done the same thing for the first two years with president trump. a got to the point where it made it very difficult. you have to do the job you are basically taken an oath to do. 535 of us, hundred senators and 4:35, we take the same pledge, we take the same old, to protect and defend the constitution. it doesn't matter if it's a republican a democrat, you do it for the country. i'm just so sick and tired of people thinking, oh you're not on this team, and that team. i'm on the american team. i've got one team, one slogan, and it's all about america. >> what does it say about president biden that you are part of this effort? you're up in new hampshire what -- having this conversation today. >> i think you've pushed too far left. he knows that, and we are still friends we can talk, i just think that basically, and a lot of ways that they are interpreting and trying to piece pieces of legislation never had the attempt of what they are trying to do to make something that wasn't passed.

so, we have our differences, you have the ability to dialogue and talk about it. but, i think he's been pushed too far to the left, i don't think that is who he is as a person. i think he has the strength to fight back, and he will. we'll see. >> senator joe manchin, and john hansen, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thanks kaitlan, appreciate it. great pleasure. >> you should also note that i asked president manchin and a mass of her husband about no labels platform that came out today, they called it the common sense platform, it's not a lot of one of the major issues in the country, immigration, social security, but it did have specifics on abortions on policies that are critically important. a master huntsman said policies put forward to me arraignment, not a destination. ahead tonight, democrats are scolding one of their own colleagues after the top house progressive called israel a braces state. congressman -- now apologized, but is it enough? plus, my exclusive sit-down with a tarnish of donald trump's ire in 2020, and trying to get him pushed out of office. republican governor of

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state, that the palestinian peoples deserve self determination and autonomy. >> after those comments, she apologized and said, quote, i do not believe that the idea of israel as a nation is racist, i do however beaulieu, that -- right-wing government has engaged in discriminatory and outright racist policies, and that there are extreme racist driving that policy within the leadership of the current government. joining me now is former obama senior adviser -- and former trump white house director alyssa -- david, i mean, after those comments, there was a lot of backlash yesterday. democrats have come out and criticize her. leadership came out, they didn't mention her by name, but it was pretty clear that they were talking about her. the

republicans say, they want disciplinary action to be taken. >> well, i can tell you, as i remember when marjorie taylor greene got elected, and it turned out that she had embrace this crazy qanon idea that, fires in california were set off by the rothschilds, and space losers. she is now one of the closest lieutenants of -- mccartney. this is a game, a political game, i think it is a deadly serious issue, and, i have been critical for a large period of time of the netanyahu government. i believe in his two state solution, i believe in permit occupation is not an is the entrance of israel or the palestinians, all of that is legitimate. i think she got over her skis in front of a crowd, and went too far. she has, much as acknowledge the, and i think, let's have a serious discussion about the issue rather than trying to put points on the board, as i think is happening on the republican side. >> i think there are elements of the progressive

left that do -- here into anti-zionism, and there has to be a discussion of suffering the issue of the israeli and palestinian disputes, and actually engaging in something that does not go a step further. her disgraceful comments were. i commend democrats, they came out roundly and quickly, and leadership condemn to congress that she made up, that's how it should be handled. i was a little surprised at this came from the congresswoman, because she is a leader. she is not somebody who is known to fly off the handle as much as some of the members of the squad earlier and their careers to. i think this was a comment that reflected her views, but when she said it, she wrote lies that it needed to be walked back. i also think boycotting the presidents visit to the state is not something that is in our best interest. >> -- he is coming to washington, he has given address to congress and several progressives are boycotting -- human rights. tomorrow >> this is an issue, okay? the relationship between

israel and the palestinians, the treatment of the palestinians. there is another side of the issue that is the act of terrorism, israel and, that is different than questioning essentially the essential quality of israel, which after, i was born as a reaction to the worst acts of racism, the holocaust, and not see germany. this emerged, this country emerged from that. so, it was a painful thing to say. i think a thoughtless thing to say. it doesn't undercut the issue needs to be thought through, the president obviously has concerns about, it because he is promoting, and still promoting, as two state solution. i will say this, even as we're having this discussion, there are hundreds of thousands of people in the streets of a pretty vibrant democracy in israel to protest what -- wants to do and terms of the judiciary there, and

undermining the rule of law. that's to me, speaks to the vibrancy of those people. those people want fair treatment of minorities in that country, and so on. so, i think there is more nuance to this issue than she recognized. >> i also want to ask you another development that happened today. this was also in the news, because the white house came out today and condemn some astonishing, but maybe not surprising comments from the long shot, democratic presidential contender, one of kennedy junior, where he suggested that covid was assigned to spare jewish and chinese people. these are remarks that were obtained by the new york post. >> in fact, covid-19, there's no argument that is a technically targeted. covid 19 attacked certain races. and disproportion. covid-19 is targeted to attack occasions and black people. the people who are most -- are [inaudible] and chinese. >>

first of all, he is completely wrong. those comments just amplified racist and antisemitic tropes. arcade junior claimed afterwards, and i'm quoting him now, i have never ever suggested that the covid-19 virus was targeted to spare. of course you just heard him there on that audio. this is just the latest false conspiracy theory to be pushed by rfk junior, the same guy who has walked other of his conspiracy laying comments, like an laying -- knock's experiment during the holocaust, suggesting that man made chemicals in the environment

are making children. panels back with me. i mean, alyssa, mccarthy was asked about these comments today. he said, i disagree with everything he said, but, our kids union is still set to testify at a hearing on the weaponization of the government and censorship later this week. -- without amplifying somebody who is a known feeder of information and disinformation, but by the way, i would know, he is pulling at 20% in some polls. the kennedy named will get you a certain distance but there is an element of our culture that likes it. >> he is, since he announced his candidacy, his numbers have gone down among democrats and up among republicans, now the darling of tucker carlson and conspiracy theory crowd. i would say for the record, i am an astronaut siege, you and i had covid ties. >> thank you for clarifying.

the >> a tie something else. i have not checked it with 23 and me. i am also someone who grew up inspired by robert kennedy, who really was the greatest influence, our greatest political influence as a kid. i am who i am partly because of the. it's painful to see someone to file his name, his son to file his name by building a campaign on a platform of really viable conspiracy theories, antisemitic tropes, and the fact that they're giving him this platform, i think they think it's mischief within the democratic primary to give robert f. kennedy junior a platform. these are not serious people, and they need to get serious. we have a lot of serious issues in the country, and this is a big twist of time, and they're giving a guy a platform who is going to abuse it. >> but also, republicans are saying that -- some republicans, i should know,

that jayapal should be censored or there should be some kind of act because of her comments, but they are also saying that this guy could come out and testify. >> this is what drives me crazy in this moment in the republican party, is that we lose the moral high ground and credibility on issues that we care about like antisemitism, where we will not condemn it, maybe if it's someone like ours, supporting people like steve bannon and the like, but we will not condemn it when someone else. >> david axelrod, alyssa farah griffin, thank you for fact-checking that, that was perfect. ahead, he faced all of trump's wrath after certifying biden's win in georgia, saying he cannot do what trump did and wanted him to do when it came to overturning the election results, but will he support trump again? >> i've told him exactly what i could and could not do when it came to the election, and i followed the law and constitution. that is a lot bigger than donald trump, a lot bigger than me, a lot bigger than the republican party. >> that exclusive interview with republican governor brian kemp is next. shbacking you could earn on everything with just one card.

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of some comments that you made recently i'm going to ask it first. have you fully closed the door on running for president in 2024? >> well, i have a lot of people writing a lot of different things about me and 2024 and i have said, look, in politics there are always doors opening and closing. i've got a great job right now, i personally feel like having more people in the race does not help us win to beat joe biden. so i am certainly not running for president, but there is always doors open in politics depending on how things play out. we will see what happens. >> we know this field of people who are running pretty well, a few other sitting governors. what do you make of the current race? is there anyone you think you could actually beat donald trump? >> it does not seem like there is a lot going on right now. there is with fundraising numbers coming out, the race has been pretty stagnant if you look at all the national polls. i kind of take that with a grain of salt, used to be in

the dog days of august and it just seems like people are getting their legs under them now. so i think there's a long way to go in the race and we'll see where that goes. >> are you surprised that governor desantis has not gained more traction? you referenced the polls, you talk about fundraising. are you surprised he is not been a more formidable challenger to trump so far? >> if you talk to his camp, they are doing a lot of really good things. a lot of good things on the ground, they are in it for the long haul, and i think ron isn't a pretty tough spot when he got in the race. his numbers were so high before he got in, in some ways he didn't have anywhere to go. now he has gotten in a stagnant place where they're making a lot of changes. there are a lot of great candidates in the race, a lot of friends of mine are in the race, and so continuing to watch and see where they go. but, my thing, caitlin is that we have got to win. we've got to have a candidate that can win and beat joe biden and win in states like georgia. there is no path for us to win the white house if we cannot

win georgia. so that is what i stayed focused on and i have had a message to every candidate out there. we have to tell the american people what we are for, we have got to be forward thinking and tell them what we are going to do. keep you looking in the rearview mirror, and then we have got to have a candidate who can beat joe biden in november. >> you say the road to the white house must include georgia. can donald trump win georgia? he's the front runner right now. >> i think he can, because joe biden has been such a bad president, his approval ratings are just terrible, in the state of georgia right now. so i feel like he can. i also think he can lose georgia if he's not doing what i said, staying focused on the race, quit looking back at the 2020 election. i mean, for goodness sakes, that was two and a half or three years ago now. the american people want to know what are you going to do for me, to help me offset the bad policies of joe biden. biden talks about the middle

out, growing the a called me for the middle out and to the bottom up. the only thing coming out of the middle right now is people's money coming out of their wallets. >> you recently said i don't retreat that, quote, not a single swing voter in a single swing state will vote for our nominee if they choose to talk about the 2020 election being stolen. the republican front runner is still saying that, he is still talking about it all the time. >> if he continues to do that, he is going to lose georgia in november. i mean, people are not worried about the past. regardless of how you feel about the election, if you are a republican and you feel like you are a moderate republican or if you are a center left independent or center-right independent, they are not worried about the 2020 election right now. and, if you feel like the election was stolen, there are people out there who do, there are others who don't. but it doesn't really matter. >> you said you do what you can get the republican nominee elected.

even if it's trump? >> i will be certainly report supporting a republican nominee to beat joe biden. >> trump pressured you to overturn the election. that he wanted you to call a special session, he said he was ashamed that you had -- he had endorsed you because you couldn't do what he wanted to do. he called you hapless. despite all of that he would still work to get him elected if he was a nominee? >> he was mad at me, i was not mad at him. i told him what i could and couldn't do it when it came to the election. as i said before, it's a lot bigger than donald trump, it's a lot bigger than, me it's a lot bigger than the republican party. and that is what i'm going to continue to do as the governor and it is what i did in 2020. but, despite all of those things, i believe that anybody running for president right now, as a republican, they would be better than what we are seeing with the biden harris administration. >> i think it might surprise some people that you worked to help give him elected given your history with him.

>> i would ask a lot of people. i have people that say that i cannot -- do that, but i am thinking of the next president is going to be faking another supreme court justice, judges on the court of appeals, a federal judge, dealing with shrinking our military, standing up to our adversaries around the world. who would you want to be your president? that is the question everybody is got to ask themselves. he may or not be the nominee, so we will wait and see. >> meanwhile, in georgia, fani willis, the fulton county district attorney is close to announcing a charging decision in her investigation. of course it has gone on for two years now, and trump and his allies efforts to overturn the results in your state. are you surprised that it has taken this long to announce if there are going to be charges? >> well, probably more disappointed than it has taken this long. people are wondering why it has taken so long, why haven't we

had resolution. so i think that just so distrust in the system, which is unfortunate. it is not what people should be feeling, no matter what side of the aisle you're on. so, in my eyes, it is frustrating but we will see what she comes out with at the appropriate time. >> comments there from georgia governor brian kemp, who i should know that when we talk about people who still believe the election is stolen, he made clear he does not believe that. up next tonight we're going to talk about putin vowing revenge after ukraine bombed a key bridge and it looks like russia may already be striking back

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today putin called the attack of terrorist attack and issued this warning. >> translator: there definitely will be a response from russia. the ministry of defense is preparing proposals. joining me now, retired u.s. army major dana petard, thank you so much for being here tonight. he says, essentially, they are prepared for a retaliation. do you believe these strikes that we are seeing happening in odessa right now are that retaliation? >> good evening, caitlin. yes i do. in fact, it is retaliation for blowing up the kurdish street bridge. >> this bridge is symbolic for putin. obviously, personally it is, but remember he drove a mercedes across it to show it was safe after the last attack on the bridge. but it is also strategic because it is the only, essentially, direct link to russia from crimea. clearly that is why the ukrainians were targeting it in that attack this morning.

>> absolutely. it is a key supply line that links mainland russia with crimean peninsula and it has been used by the russians as a supply line since their invasion in 2022. >> this is coming as ukraine has conducted this counteroffensive. even president zelenskyy has said it's going slower than they hoped it was. what do you make of the fact that they are using a naval drone for this attack on the kerch strait bridge? what does it say about ukraine's abilities? >> i think it's ingenious. it gives russians concern both from the land and the sea that the ukrainians have the ability now to use c drones that can go underwater and be used either against russian for ships or bridges or other things in the sea. but, what is also happening on the ukrainian side, though, is their counteroffensive a stalled. this is not what they had planned to do. >> how do you think they will

change it? >> well, they are trying to do a couple of things. one is isolate the crimean peninsula like they are doing, making it untenable for the russians. they are continuing to try to probe the russian defenses, and to find a point where they can conduct a penetration exploited to talk through it, and drive towards a sea of -- but up to this point, they have not been able to do that because of the russian layered defenses. >> as this is going on, russia announced that they terminated a green deal with ukraine. this is not something that only matters to ukraine and russia, this is shaking global food market. ukraine accounts for 10% of the world's elite market, 15% of the corn market, 13% of the barley market. you know, do you believe that another country is going to have to get involved here? what is your expectation, what are the ramifications of putin terminating this deal? >> well, president putin suspending the black sea grain

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d.a.'s office. tomorrow is going to be interesting for so many reasons. it was the first time we have seen judge cannon in this role as she is overseeing this case. so we could get insight into what she is going to do, but also when a trial could be, potentially. >> i think everybody is going to be watching to see how she is going to play things because, don't forget, the fee ruled in a way previously last fall on the search warrant, in a way that seemed to favor trump. she got reversed, so everybody is waiting to see what she will do here because of the trial was the set for august, the department of justice through jack smith said, about december, we cannot be ready in august. and trump's team said, how about, let's not set a trial date at all because the election is coming up. we'll see if she's going to set a trial date at all, will be before the election, or will she go along with trump's team and not such a trial? >> so she could set a trial date tomorrow, potentially? >> that is what is typically done in federal cases. typically they set a trial date and you work backwards from there. you discuss what is reasonable.

there are a speedy trial act that requires a speedy trial, but there are certain exceptions and pauses that can be put on it. all of that is discussed ahead of time, but typically there is a trial date set and so that would be what would commonly happen in a federal case. >> we're also waiting to see what will happen in georgia. i spoke with the states republican governor earlier today, brian kemp, and i asked him his view, essentially, on why we have not seen charges, yet if there are going to be charges. he said this. >> are you surprised it has taken so long to announce if there are going to be charges? >> well, i'm probably more disappointed that it has taken this long. people are wondering why is this taking so long? why haven't we had resolution? so i think that so distrust in the system, which is unfortunate. it is not what people should be feeling, no matter what side of

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